Insights from Expert Interviews on Navigating the Complexity of Prioritizing Chemicals for Human Biomonitoring in Latvia
Abstract
1. Introduction
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- retained component A (problem size-percentage of exposed population; use of 10% in weighting);
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- expressed component B (severity of the problem) with two components:
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- component B (hazardous properties-carcinogenicity, mutagenicity, reproductive toxicity, developmental toxicity, endocrine activity, STOT RE (systemic toxicity after repeated exposure), neurotoxicity, immunotoxicity, respiratory sensitization, skin sensitization; use of 30% in weighting);
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- component C (exposure characteristics-persistency and/or bioaccumulation potential, sales in the EU or, where possible, sales in Latvia (tons per year), exposure routes, passage of placental barrier, exposed population, level of concern of the exposure; use of 30% in weighting).
2. Materials and Methods
2.1. Study Design
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- Expert 1—public health, occupational health and safety;
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- Expert 2—chemical engineering;
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- Expert 3—chemistry, occupational and environmental medicine, toxicology;
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- Expert 4—chemistry;
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- Expert 5—public health, occupational and environmental medicine;
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- Expert 6—chemistry;
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- Expert 7—occupational health and safety;
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- Expert 8—occupational medicine.
2.2. Guidelines Used for the Interviews
2.3. Process of Interviewing
2.4. Data Analysis
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- Main sources of information (ECHA, scientific literature, national HBM programs of other countries, data from the HBM4EU project, International Agency for Research on Cancer, national data);
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- Main challenges (time constraints, low availability of national data, insufficiently clear opinion of state authorities, complex and huge work, quality control, changes in the methodology, insufficient specific knowledge, objectivity);
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- Positive aspects (team approach, availability of the written methodology and supporting templates, obtained new skills and knowledge, Use of artificial intelligence);
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- Suggestions for improvements (kick-off training and regular updates, previous involvement in international projects, change management, clear state framework).
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- During the coding process, both researchers identified and recorded relevant text segments (quotes), which were later discussed and incorporated as anonymized examples to illustrate the diversity of responses. Only the most representative quotes were included in the section “Results” (in English). In contrast, additional supporting quotes were organized into a table in Appendix A, Table A2 (in Latvian and English).
2.5. Use of AI-Assisted Tools in Manuscript Preparation
3. Results
3.1. Challenges Encountered
3.1.1. Limited National Data Availability
3.1.2. Insufficiently Clear Guidance from State Authorities
3.1.3. Diverse Expert Opinions
3.1.4. Complexity and Volume of Work
3.2. Strategies and Positive Outcomes
3.2.1. Collaborative Approach
3.2.2. Utilization of International Frameworks
3.2.3. Iterative Methodological Refinements
3.3. Lessons Learned
3.3.1. Need for Comprehensive National Data
3.3.2. Importance of Clear Guidance
3.3.3. Value of Specialized Expertise
4. Discussion
5. Recommendations
5.1. Development of National Data Infrastructure
5.2. Implementation Roadmap and Policy Recommendations
5.3. Enhance Collaboration Across Sectors
5.4. Improve Methodological Guidelines
5.5. Allocate Sufficient Resources
6. Conclusions
Author Contributions
Funding
Institutional Review Board Statement
Informed Consent Statement
Data Availability Statement
Conflicts of Interest
Appendix A
Introduction |
Acquaintance with the interviewer, the purpose and tasks of the interview.
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Evaluation process |
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Used sources of information and digital tools |
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Challenges |
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Final remarks |
Would you like to add something else in relation to the evaluation process?
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Codes | Number | Quotes (Latvian) | Quotes (English) |
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Main sources of information | |||
ECHA (European Chemical Agency) | 6 | Eksperts 2: Es laikam vairāk skatījos ECHA mājaslapu un no turienes ņēmu, bet dažreiz biju skatījusies tajā Amerikas, es neatceros, kādā datubāzē, ... | Expert 2: I think I mostly looked at the ECHA website and took information from there, but sometimes I checked that American database as well, although I do not remember which one. |
Scientific literature | 5 | Eksperts 7: Protams, publikācijas datu bāzēs, piemēram, PubMed ar atslēgas vārdiem meklējot. | Expert 7: Of course, in publication databases, such as PubMed, by searching with keywords. |
Eksperts 5: Bet arī ja ECHA nav tā bīstamība, tas nozīmē, ka viss ir kārtībā. Bet es tam nepiekrītu. Ja ir pētījumi, ja ir vairāki pētījumi, tad tas arī varētu tikt iekļauts kaut kādā izvērtēšanā, bet es piekrītu, ka jāobjektivizē. Ja tas ir kāds pamatojums jāmeklē, tad tas ir oficiāls pamatojums. … Jo pētījumi iet uz priekšu, viņi straujāk parāda kaut kādas problēmas. | Expert 5: But even if ECHA does not list the hazard, it does not mean everything is fine. I do not agree with that. If there are studies, if there are multiple studies, then those could also be included in some sort of evaluation, but I agree that it needs to be made objective. If some justification is needed, then it must be an official justification. … Because research progresses, and it often highlights certain issues more quickly. | ||
Eksperts 6: Grūtākais.... laikam bija …, kad nebija tā informācija viennozīmīga. … Tad, kad Tu sāc novērtēt pēc zinātniskās literatūras. Uz svaru kausiem likt–augsta, zema vai vidēja, saprast, vai tas pētījums ir iespējams korekts vai nav korekts. Salīdzināt ar kādu citu, kas ir pētījis līdzīgu, bet viņam ir citādi rezultāti. Tad kuram ticēt un kuru likt? | Expert 6: The hardest part… was probably when the information was not straightforward. … When you start evaluating based on scientific literature. Weighing—high, low, or medium—and trying to understand whether a study is possibly accurate or not. Comparing it with another study that has researched something similar but has different results. Then, whom to trust and which one to choose? | ||
National human biomonitoring programs of other countries | 3 | Eksperts 5: Un otra lieta bija Kanādas biomonitoringa programma, kas viņiem gadiem iet un Amerikas biomonitoringa programma. Protams, varētu teikt, ka tas ir cits kontinents, citi, nezinu, produkti, paradumi, ieradumi, likumdošana, bet diemžēl tas bija vismasīvākais, vispārbaudītākais dinamikā un nezinu izpētītākais, uz ko paļauties, kuras vielas ir apritē, kuras nē, kuras ir aktuālas, kurš ne. | Expert 5: And the other thing was the Canadian biomonitoring program, which has been running for years, and the American biomonitoring program. Of course, one could say it is a different continent, with different products, habits, customs, and legislation, but unfortunately, it was the most extensive, dynamically tested, and, I would say, the most thoroughly researched source to rely on for understanding which substances are in circulation, which are not, and which are relevant or not. |
Data from the HBM4EU project | 3 | Eksperts 3: Mana pieeja bija pavisam vienkārša. Paņemt visas tās vielas, kas jau bija iepriekšējā projektā HBM4EU, tos metālus, kas jau bija prioritizēti, vai tos metālus, par ko bijusi runa, ka tos vajadzētu skatīties. Nu un tas principā bija izejošais informācijas avots, tīri tā pragmatiski, lai pēc tam būtu ar ko salīdzināt, ja mēs skatāmies, lai varam salīdzināt ar citiem, tad lai tās ir konkrētās Eiropas kontekstā nosauktās aktuālās vielas. | Expert 3: My approach was quite simple. I took all the substances that were already included in the previous HBM4EU project, the metals that had already been prioritized, or the metals that had been discussed as ones that should be examined. And that was essentially the starting point, purely pragmatic, so that later there would be a basis for comparison. If we are looking to compare with others, then it is important to focus on the specific substances identified as relevant in the European context. |
Eksperts 5: Es ņēmu piemēru no tā, kas jau ir darīts Eiropas lielajā biomonitoringa projektā. | Expert 5: I took an example from what has already been done in the large European biomonitoring project. | ||
International Agency for Research on Cancer | 2 | Eksperts 7: Es diezgan daudz izmantoju arī Starptautiskās vēžu izpētes aģentūras datu bāzes un materiālus, ļoti daudz tur skatījos. | Expert 7: I also used the International Agency for Research on Cancer databases and materials quite extensively; I looked there a lot. |
National data | 2 | Eksperts 1: Man bija tā foršā lieta, ka mums bija pētījums, ko ņemt vērā. Ka mums bija tas pesticīdu pētījums HBM4EU SPECIMEN study, un mēs pieņēmām lēmumu, vērtēt tos pesticīdus, kas bija konstatēts vismaz 15% populācijas. | Expert 1: I had the great advantage of having a study to consider. We had the results on pesticides from the HBM4EU SPECIMEN study, and we decided to evaluate those pesticides that were detected in at least 15% of the population. |
Eksperts 1: Otrs labums, kas bija, bija tas, ka ir pieejama oficiāla statistika par pārdošanas apjomiem, ir Excelis, nolādē, apskaties un izrēķini vidējo, apskaties tendenci. Ļoti superīgi, ir tāda statistika pieejama par šo vielu grupu. | Expert 1: Another advantage was that official statistics on sales volumes are available. You can download an Excel file, review it, calculate the average, and analyze the trend. It is great that such statistics are available for this group of substances | ||
Eksperts 5: Un tie informācijas avoti man arī bija tāpat kā kaut kas jau minēja tie [Valsts] Vides dienesta minētie dati ūdenī, augsnē, pārtikā. | Expert 5: And my information sources also included, as someone already mentioned, the data from the [State] Environmental Service on water, soil, and food. | ||
Main challenges | |||
Time constrains | 7 | Eksperts 7: Tas, ka man pietrūka laika iedziļināties, izprast... | Expert 7: What I lacked was time to delve deeper and fully understand... |
Eksperts 3: Tomēr laikam, ja es skatos par laika taupīšanām, man šķistu, ka tas [eksperts], kas vāc informāciju, arī rēķina Hanlonu [Hanlona punktu skaitu]. | Expert 3: However, if I think about saving time, it seems to me that the expert collecting the information should also calculate the Hanlon score. | ||
Eksperts 1: Mums bija tā testēšanas fāze, bija iespēja kaut ko pamainīt, kaut ko pierediģēt. Bet vienkārši viņa pagāja, jo ne visi viņu izmantoja. | Expert 1: We had the testing phase, with the opportunity to adjust or edit something. But it just passed by because not everyone made use of it. | ||
Eksperts 2: Jā, tieši sākt runāt par atvaļinājuma laikiem un laika trūkumu, jo man tas ļoti traucēja un tas ir sāpīgs jautājums joprojām. Jo mums bija daudz, daudz citi darbi un termiņi, | Expert 2: Yes, starting to talk about vacation times and lack of time, because that really hindered me, and it is still a sensitive issue. We had so many other tasks and deadlines. | ||
Eksperts 5: Mana problēma bija-vienā grupā N-desmit vielas, vairāk... un nenormāli pārtraukumi starp vielām. Ļoti liels laika patēriņš nelietderīgi. Bet tas laikam ir tas, ko darīt savādāk. | Expert 5: My problem was that in one group there were dozens of substances, or even more... and huge interruptions between substances. It was an enormous waste of time. But I guess that is something to do differently next time. | ||
Low availability of national data | 5 | Eksperts 6: Tur bija kaut kas laikam par svinu, iespējams, kas bija kaut kur, laikam, medījumu gaļā, vienkārši tad, ja man ir uzrakstīts 5 medījuma produktos tika novērtos svina palielināta koncentrācija, būtībā tas neko nepasaka, jo iespējams viņi ir notestējuši 20 [paraugus], bet reāli Latvijā viņi ir 2000 [nomedīti dzīvnieki], man nav to rezultātu pret ko salīdzināt. | Expert 6: There was something about lead, possibly in the meat of hunted animals. For example, if it is written that increased lead concentrations were found in 5 such products, that essentially does not say much, because maybe they tested 20 [samples], but in reality, there are 2000 [hunted animals] in Latvia. I do not have the results to compare against. |
Eksperts 3: Datu maz, kopa maza, bet no ierēdņu puses tiek pasniegts kā … problēma, bet patiesībā problēmas vispār nav. | Expert 3: There is limited data; the sample size used in the implemented studies is small... but from the officials’ side, it is presented as a problem, whereas, in reality, there is no problem at all. | ||
Eksperts 6: Jo mēs pilnīgi precīzi nevaram pielīdzināt [situāciju mūsu valstī] citām Eiropas valstīm, kurām ir citāds ģeogrāfiskais stāvoklis vai kaut kādi procesi, kas notiek. | Expert 6: Because we cannot fully equate [the situation in our country] with other European countries that have different geographical conditions or certain processes taking place. | ||
Eksperts 6: ... Mums nebija dati par Latviju. Ekspertam 1 jeb pesticīdiem bija dati par Latviju, bet tām [ķīmisko vielu] grupām, kas bija mūsu pārziņā, tām nebija. | Expert 6: ... We did not have data for Latvia. Expert 1, regarding pesticides, had data for Latvia, but for the [chemical substance] groups under our responsibility, there were none. | ||
Insufficiently clear opinion of state authorities | 4 | Eksperts 6: Izlasot vēstules, kas ir ieteikts, man trūka pamatotas informācijas no šīm vēstulēm. … tāda nepilnīga un nepilnvērtīga informācija, kā tāds informācijas avots vairāk. Jā, kaut kur eksistē, bet nevar pilnvērtīgi piemērot punktiem, nevaru pacelt augstāk, tāpēc, ka ir konstatētas dažās grupās. Tas par tām vēstulēm, gribējās viņas pilnvērtīgākas. Man vismaz... Lai man izlasot ir skaidrs, ka tur ir uz faktiem balstīti konkrēti skaitļi, lai var saprast, cik mūsu sabiedrība konkrēti patērē vai vēl kaut ko. Ja man ir +/−, tad tas ir informatīvs. | Expert 6: After reading the letters and recommendations, I felt they lacked substantiated information. … The information was incomplete and insufficient, more like a source of general information. Yes, it exists somewhere, but it cannot be fully applied to the points or elevated further because it was identified only in certain groups. Regarding those letters, I wish they were more comprehensive. At least for me… I want to clearly understand from reading them that they are based on factual, specific figures, allowing us to comprehend how much our society consumes or other relevant details. If it is just approximate, then it is only informative. |
Eksperts 5: Tās vēstules … man neko nedeva, jo … pateikt, ka vajag noteikt [vispārīgi] ftalātus, kuros ir kaut kādi 120 vai cik ftalāti, [un nepateikt kurus]. | Expert 5: Those letters … did not provide anything useful to me, because … saying that phthalates need to be identified [in general], when there are about 120 or so phthalates, [without specifying which ones]. | ||
Complex and huge work | 4 | Eksperts 5: Kaut gan mums tur metodē bija atstrādāts, cik procenti populācijas tur... bet ne vienmēr varēja tā baigi skaidras atbildes dabūt... | Expert 5: Although we had it worked out in the methodology, the percentage of the population, etc., it was not always possible to get very clear answers... |
Eksperts 1: Es zinu, ka mēs sākotnēji gribējām vienkāršoti, bet tad, kad sākām vērtēt, tad sapratām, ka ar to vienkāršo nevaram novērtēt, kur nu vēl pēc tam kādam citam paskaidrot, ka ir tā un nevis savādāk. | Expert 1: I know that initially, we wanted to keep it simple, but once we started evaluating, we realized that the simple approach was not enough to assess the situation—let alone explain to someone else why it is the way it is and not otherwise. | ||
Eksperts 2: Bet te gribu piebilst, ka mums ar Ekspertu 5, nezin vai būtu vieglāk, jo mums nebija viena viela, bet mums bija vielu grupas, un mēs jau ar Ekspertu 5 pašas sev taisījām tādus seminārus, sarunas, un tad mēs pašas kaut kā mēģinājām saprast, kā mums iet un kā rakstīt tālāk. | Expert 2: But I want to add here that for Expert 5 and me, I am not sure it would have been any easier, because we did not have just one substance; we had substance groups. And Expert 5 and I organized our own seminars and discussions, trying to figure out how we were progressing and how to proceed with the writing. | ||
Eksperts 5: Tas [Hanlona metodoloģijas] testēšanas periods ... es pateikšu godīgi, mums līdz pēdējai grupai bija testēšanas periods, jo grupa no grupas atšķiras, tur ir visādas nianses, tur ir apakšgrupas iekš grupas, tā kā testēšana grupām ir diezgan sarežģīta. Un man nav šobrīd atbildes, kā to labāk darīt. | Expert 5: The testing period [of Hanlon methodology] … I will be honest, for us, the testing period lasted until the very last group, because groups differ from one another. There are all sorts of nuances, and there are subgroups within groups, so testing for the groups is quite complex. And at the moment, I do not have an answer on how to do it better. | ||
Eksperts 3: … To mežonīgo darbu, adaptējot …. novērtēšanas procesu. | Expert 3: … That overwhelming work of adapting the … evaluation process. | ||
Eksperts 1: Tas bija ļoti monotoni, kaut kādā brīdī apnicīgi, ... Ne dēļ informācijas trūkuma, kā citiem kolēģiem, bet man vienkārši apnika to darīt.... | Expert 1: It was very monotonous, at some point even tiresome... Not due to a lack of information, like some of my colleagues experienced, but I simply got tired of doing it... | ||
Quality control | 4 | Eksperts 8: Ja informāciju vāc viens un Hanlonu rēķina cits, tad no manas puses... man bija sajūta, ka ir dubulta kontrole, ka Eksperts 6 pirms manis, piemēram, izķer... Nu es nevaru sarēķināt, jo man trūkst kaut kas ... Man no tā likās, ka tas fails, tas aprēķins kļuva kvalitatīvāks un saturīgāks un loģiskāks. Tomēr šajā procesā, ja Tu šai grupai, piemēram, metāliem rēķini viens, tad tur parādās sistemātiskās kļūdas, ko mēs paldies dievam arī uzķērām. Tas ir – ja Tu kaut kādā vienā veidā kļūdies aprēķinos, tad Tu kļūdies tā uz visām grupas vielām. | Expert 8: If one person collects the information and another calculates the Hanlon score, from my perspective... I felt like there was double-checking, as Expert 6, for example, would catch something before me... I could not calculate because I was missing something... To me, it seemed that the file, the calculation, became more qualitative, substantial, and logical. However, in this process, if, for example, the calculations for a group like metals are done by one person, systematic errors can appear, which, thankfully, we also caught. That is, if you make a mistake in one specific way during the calculations, you end up making that same mistake for all the substances in the group. |
Eksperts 8: Savukārt, ja raksta ... visu dara viens, tad no kontroles.... no gala produkta kontroles viedokļa ir daudz grūtāk, jo tad tās kļūdas aprēķins, tās, ko es ar savām prasmēm un zināšanām un sistemātiku varēju pamanīt, viņas varēja būt absolūti dažādas, uz visām pusēm. Tu to pārrēķini, bet tas liecina, ka ir jābūt vairākpakāpju aprēķinu kontrolei. | Expert 8: On the other hand, if one person writes and does everything themselves, then from a control perspective... from the perspective of final product control, it is much harder. Errors in calculations, the ones I could notice with my skills, knowledge, and systematic approach, could be absolutely varied and scattered in all directions. You recalculate it, but it shows that there needs to be multi-level control of the calculations. | ||
Eksperts 5: Man trūka, ka mums nebija vēl kāds ķīmiķis, kas grupā pārbaudītu, vai [novērtējums] ir ok. | Expert 5: I felt the lack of having another chemist in the group to check whether it [the evaluation] was okay. | ||
Changes in the methodology | 3 | Eksperts 7: Man bija prieks, ka to metodoloģiju mainīja un precizēja visu laiku, un pielāgoja, par ko es saprotu, ka raksti tiks rakstīti. ... Tā kā es esmu priecīga, ka metode ir paplašināta. | Expert 7: I was glad that the methodology was constantly updated, refined, and adjusted, which I understand will be reflected in research articles. So, I am happy that the method has been expanded. |
Eksperts 8: Viņa [metode] diezgan daudz mainījās tajā procesā. | Expert 8: It [the method] changed quite a lot during the process. | ||
Eksperts 2: Mēs strādājām-prioritizējām vielas tajā pašā laikā, kad Eksperts1 metodoloģiju izstrādāja, jā, tāpēc bija grūti. | Expert 2: We were working—prioritizing substances—at the same time that Expert 1 was developing the methodology, so it was challenging. | ||
Insufficient specific knowledge | 4 | Eksperts 3: … jo katram ir savas bāzes zināšanas, tas, ka varbūt ir jābūt kaut kādām vadlīnijām, kādām zināšanām ir jābūt, lai tu veiktu šo nu... [ novērtējumu]. | Expert 3: ... because everyone has their own base knowledge, perhaps there should be some guidelines on what knowledge is necessary to perform this... [evaluation]. |
Eksperts 3: Mums ir trakoti maz to …. to toksikologu, to vides toksikologu, kas spētu šito sašķirot... | Expert 3: We have an incredibly small number of ... toxicologists, environmental toxicologists, who could sort this out... | ||
Eksperts 1: Vai kāds speciālists komandā trūka? … būtu forši, ka būtu kāds gudrāks kā es, kas to, ko es uzrakstu, tā saturiski forši iziet cauri. Ķīmija, toksikoloģija, mums bija pieaicināts eksperts, nu viņš kaut ko iekomentēja–Eksperts 10, bet ... jā, ja būtu vēl kāds, kas ar tādu labu bagāžu vēl būtu pārskatījis, būtu vēl labāk. | Expert 1: Was there a specialist missing from the team? … It would have been great to have someone smarter than me who could thoroughly review what I wrote in terms of content. In chemistry and toxicology, we had an invited expert—Expert 9—who made some comments, but ... yes, if there had been someone else with solid expertise to review it further, it would have been even better. | ||
Objectivity | 4 | Eksperts 3: Ja to visu [Hanlona punktus] rēķina viens [ eksperts], tā pragmātiski, ņemot tos punktus, kas kurā vietā ielikti, ar vienu pieeju, vienu noteiktu pieeju visai grupai, tad ir viena noteikta standartnovirze. Ja dara dažādi cilvēki, tad tur ir subjektīvais.... | Expert 3: If all [Hanlon scores] are calculated by one [expert], pragmatically, using the same approach and methodology for the entire group, then there is a consistent standard deviation. If different people do it, then there is a subjective element... |
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Team approach | 8 | Eksperts 8: Un es priecājos, ka tajā ziņā mēs bijām kā komanda, kurā viens vairāk iedziļinājās izstrādē, cits aprakstīšanā, cits vēl kaut ko darīja. | Expert 8: And I am glad that, in that sense, we worked as a team, where one person focused more on development, another on writing, and someone else handled other tasks. |
Eksperts 2: Mums ar Ekspertu 5 bija sadalīts darbs... Es liku iekšā visas vielas pēc saraksta, CAS numurus, bīstamības un tad es pildīju iekšā Hanlon B un C tabulu. | Expert 2: Expert 5 and I had divided the work... I entered all the substances from the list, CAS numbers, and hazards, and then I filled in the Hanlon B and C tables. | ||
Eksperts 2: Pāris reizes izlasu metodiku, un pēc tam mēģināju … izrunāt ar kolēģiem, kas nodarbojas ar to pašu. | Expert 2: I read the methodology a couple of times and then tried to discuss it with colleagues who were working on the same thing. | ||
Eksperts 2: Komandas gars ir ļoti labs. | Expert 2: The team spirit is very good. | ||
Eksperts 3: Nu mums bija tā pieeja, ka datus vāca viens, bet Hanlonu rēķināja cits. | Expert 3: Well, our approach was that one person collected the data, but another calculated the Hanlon score. | ||
Eksperts 7: Jā, vai informāciju var vākt un Hanlonu rēķināt cits? Noteikti! Tāpēc, ka es esmu viens no tiem cilvēkiem, kurš piedalījās ar ne pārāk lielu eksperta bagāžu, un es šajā projektā vairāk esmu tas klikšķinātājs. Un es biju priecīga, ka varu saklikšķināt un biju priecīga, ka manā darbā Hanlonu aprēķināja cits un šis cits … saprata, kur man kaut kas pietrūkst, lai es varu vēl ieklikšķināt un pamainīt. | Expert 7: Yes, can one person collect the information and another calculate the Hanlon score? Absolutely! Because I am one of those people who participated without a very extensive expert background, and in this project, I was more of a “clicker.” I was happy that I could do the clicking and glad that someone else calculated the Hanlon score based on my work. This person understood where I was missing something, so I could go back, add, and make adjustments. | ||
Eksperts 6: Es arī nebiju no 0 [paša sākuma] …. Eksperts 1 bija blakus un pastāstīja, kā tas notiek. Ja nu kas, es varēju pajautāt. | Expert 6: I also wasn’t starting from scratch... Expert 1 was there to explain how it works. If anything came up, I could ask. | ||
Eksperts 3: Kas procesā patika? ... Tas ka komanda var saliedēties, tīri raugoties kā tas ir sanācis, ka ir mežonīgi daudz panākts un izdarīts. | Expert 3: What did I like about the process? ... That the team could become closer, and looking at it now, it’s impressive how much was achieved and accomplished. | ||
Eksperts 4: Speciālisti bija, paldies kolēģiem, kas vienmēr bija un laipni palīdzēja. Vienmēr atbildēja, gan pētnieki, gan ķīmiķi, vienmēr visi atbildēja. Ja bija kādi jautājumi. Tas arī patika procesā. Kolēģu atsaucība. | Expert 4: The specialists were there—thanks to the colleagues who were always available and willing to help. They always responded, whether it was researchers, or chemists; everyone always answered if there were any questions. That’s something I also liked about the process—the responsiveness of colleagues. | ||
Eksperts 7: Būt kā tas klikšķinātājs vai tas gudri apmācītais mērkaķis, to es darītu labprāt. Jo man patīk tā sajūta ... Nu ka tu vari izdarīt kā zobratiņš tajā lielajā sistēmā priekš lieliem ekspertiem vai priekš zinošiem ekspertiem... | Expert 7: Being the “clicker” or the cleverly trained monkey—that I’d gladly do. I enjoy the feeling... that you can contribute as a small cog in the big system for the great experts or knowledgeable specialists... | ||
Availability of the written methodology and supporting templates | 6 | Eksperts 6: Skatoties tos avotus, kas bija minēti [dokumentu sagatavēs]. | Expert 6: Looking at the sources that were mentioned [in the document templates]. |
Eksperts 7: Un Vācijas biomonitoringa normas, kas jau bija iedotas–tas bija tas labais, ka nebija jāmeklē. Varēja arī apskatīties. Man kā nespeciālistam tas ļoti palīdzēja. | Expert 7: And the German biomonitoring standards that were already provided—this was the good part, that there was no need to search for them. They could also be reviewed. For me, as a non-specialist, this was very helpful. | ||
Eksperts 1: Jo es ļoti gāju pēc templatiem, no sākuma bija tā aprakstošā daļa, tad es gāju B, C atsevišķi, arī tur es izmantoju tos templates, kas bija sagatavoti. Man diezgan raiti gāja uz priekšu, jo es gāju, cik punkti kam piederēja. | Expert 1: I really followed the templates. First, there was the descriptive part, then I moved on to B and C separately, and I also used the templates that were prepared. I made good progress because I followed which points belonged to which. | ||
Eksperts 5: Tika izmantotas arī tās listes, kas mums metodikā ir atstrādātas, mums pat bija saites, par to paldies Ekspertam 1. Tā tabula arī bija maksimāli vienkāršoti uztaisīts, lai var ieiet un to vielu meklēt uzreiz. | Expert 5: We also used the lists that were developed in our methodology, and we even had links for that—thanks to Expert 1. The table was made as simple as possible, so you could go in and search for the substance right away. | ||
Eksperts 7: Un es arī nezināju uzreiz, kur to informāciju meklēt.... Tādēļ man palīdzēja tie templeiti, kas visur tur bija, tas man ļoti palīdzēja... | Expert 7: And I didn’t immediately know where to search for that information... That’s why the templates that were available everywhere really helped me. | ||
Eksperts 2: Pāris reizes izlasu metodiku, un pēc tam mēģināju visu saprast … | Expert 2: I read the methodology a couple of times, and then I tried to understand everything... | ||
Obtained new skills and knowledge | 3 | Eksperts 4: …par prioritizēšanu, es šajā reizē mācījos. Gāju visam cauri mācoties. | Expert 4: ... Regarding prioritization, I learned this time. I went through everything while learning. |
Eksperts 6: Man arī patika palasīt visādus pētījumus, kurus izlasot, es vispār saprotu, ka šeit man tas nenoder, bet bija interesanti. Un bija lietas, ko Tu uzzini jaunu. | Expert 6: I also enjoyed reading various studies, and after reading them, I realized that they didn’t really help me here, but it was interesting. And there were things that I learned anew. | ||
Use of artificial intelligence | 2 | Eksperts 6: Es diemžēl arī neizmantoju, jo es tajā brīdī par to neiedomājos. Jo, ja man šobrīd jautātu, tad es noteikti izmantotu. Jo pēc tam, kad es taisīju PARCam kaut kādām vielām izvērtējumu, tur par kaut kādiem normatīviem un vēl visu kaut ko, es sapratu, ka ļoti labs rīks, kas tev iedod kaut kādu skatu punktu, kur var pamēģināt, bet jā, diemžēl neizmantoju. | Expert 6: Unfortunately, I didn’t use it either, because I didn’t think about it at the time. But if I were asked now, I would definitely use it. Because later, when I was doing the PARC evaluation for certain substances, regarding regulations and other things, I realized it is a very good tool that gives you a perspective to try out. But yes, unfortunately, I did not use it. |
Eksperts 1: Jā, es esmu... Es kaut kādā pusceļā man liekas sāku izmantot, maksas versiju. Ko es jautāju-jautāju jebko, ko es nesapratu... Vai es viņam, piemēram, prasīju, kādai ... vai tādai un tādai vielai pastāv.... kādas pastāv īpašības, un ja jā, tad ... Nu visam ko tu raksti, iedod man references. Reizēm viņš iedeva galīgi nepareizus linkus, reizēm viņš iedeva uz labiem rakstiem saites. Nu tur nav vienos vārtos un viennozīmīgi, bet bija vietas, kur viņš viennozīmīgi varēja man palīdzēt. Es atradu avotus, kādus es iepriekš nebūtu atradusi. | Expert 1: Yes, I... I think I started using the paid version halfway through. What I asked—I asked anything I didn’t understand... For example, I asked him about the properties of a certain substance, and if they exist, then... Well, for everything you write, give me references. Sometimes he gave completely incorrect links, and sometimes he gave links to good articles. It was not always clear-cut, but there were places where he could definitely help me. I found sources that I would not have found otherwise. | ||
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Kick-off training and regular updates | 5 | Eksperts 7: Sākumā būtu labi, ka ir tās ekspertu grupas [par specifiskām vielām]. … ka visi var izrunāt, … kā grupas strādās, ... kur meklē. Tad droši vien arī būtu vienkāršāk to darīt. | Expert 7: At the beginning, it would be good to have expert groups [focused on specific substances] ... so everyone can discuss ... how the groups will work ... and where to look for information. That would probably make the process easier. |
Eksperts 6: Ir forši, ja sākotnēji visiem ir prezentācija, tad mēs izejam cauri katrs pa savam, izrunājam, lai mums ir vienota pieeja visām lietām. | Expert 6: It is great if there is a presentation for everyone at the beginning, then we each go through it individually and discuss it to ensure we have a unified approach to everything. | ||
Eksperts 2: Mēs jau ar Ekspertu 5 pašas sev taisījām tādus seminārus, sarunas, un tad mēs pašas kaut kā mēģinājām saprast, kā mums iet un kā rakstīt tālāk. | Expert 2: Expert 5 and I organized our own seminars and discussions, trying to figure out how we were progressing and how to proceed with the writing. | ||
Eksperts 1: Mēs varējām iefilmēt kādu videomateriālu, kā to dara. Pat ja mums ir tāda situācija, ka kaut kādā punktā X pamainās kolēģi, tad vienkārši Tev ir darba pakete–var iepazīties te, var noskatīties te.... Varbūt tas … kaut kā palīdzētu. | Expert 1: We could have recorded a video tutorial on how it is done. Even if we find ourselves in a situation where colleagues change at some point, you would simply have a work package—everything is explained here, and you can watch it here. Maybe that... could help in some way. | ||
Eksperts 2: Principā esmu priecīga, ka mēs ar Ekspertu 5 strādājām komandā, un mēs sarunājāmies un mums bija tādi nelieli brainstormingi, dažreiz tie ilga kādas stundas 2, tas man ļoti palīdzēja. Varbūt šoreiz es, ja es vēlreiz tādam piekristu, es gribētu tādus brainstormingus darīt biežāk, lai izrunātu, lai visas savas emocijas pateiktu, un... dalītos pieredzē ar kolēģiem. | Expert 2: Overall, I am happy that Expert 5 and I worked as a team. We had discussions and small brainstorming sessions, sometimes lasting about two hours, which helped me a lot. If I were to agree to do something like this again, I would want to have such brainstorming sessions more frequently—to discuss, share all my thoughts and emotions, and exchange experiences with colleagues. | ||
Previous involvement in international projects | 3 | Eksperts 1: Ir grūti to programmu no zila gaisa izveidot, tāpēc mans padoms būtu-rast veidu, kā iesaistīties kaut kādās sistēmās, lielajos Eiropas projektos. Jo tas, ka ir bijis HBM4EU, tas ka ir PARC, tas tomēr palīdz to.... Arī to ideju saprast, nevis, ka Tu lasi publikāciju un mēģini uzburt, tomēr tā citu valstu tiešā pieredze, ko Tu vari iegūt no partneriem ir tāda riktīgi vērtīga. | Expert 1: It is difficult to create a program out of thin air, so my advice would be to find a way to get involved in some systems or major European projects. The existence of HBM4EU and PARC really helps with that... It also helps to understand the concept, rather than just reading publications and trying to imagine it. The direct experience of other countries, which you can gain from partners, is truly valuable. |
Eksperts 6: Es piekrītu laikam Ekspertam 1, ka jāiesaistās citās ārpus programmās vai aktivitātēs, vai iespējams, jāatrod kolēģi no citām valstīm, kas arī to ir sākuši darīt. Sākumā ņemt kādu piemēru, lai tev ir kāds pamata materiāls, uz ko balstīties, un tad visticamāk ir vieglāk. | Expert 6: I probably agree with Expert 1 that it’s necessary to get involved in other external programs or activities, or perhaps find colleagues from other countries who have also started working on this. Initially, take an example to have some foundational material to build upon, which would likely make things easier. | ||
Eksperts 2: Kāds varētu būt padoms? … Laikam kaut kā palasīt kā citi ir veikuši tādu projektu. Kādas bija problēmas? Varbūt, ka būs labi, ka būtu tāds raksts pārdomām-kādas bija priekšrocības, kādi bija trūkumi. | Expert 2: What advice could there be? ... Perhaps to read about how others have carried out similar projects. What problems did they encounter? Maybe it would be useful to have an article reflecting on the advantages and shortcomings. | ||
Change management | 2 | Eksperts 8: Es gribētu, lai procesa gaitā nemainītos komanda, kas nav ietekmējams, jo komanda var mainīties ļoti dažādu apstākļu dēļ. Jo arī liela daļa no tā, ko jūs minējāt, bija tas, ka “Es ielecu vēlāk tajā procesā”. | Expert 8: I would prefer that the team doesn’t change during the process, although this isn’t always controllable, as the team can change due to various circumstances. A large part of what you mentioned was also that “I joined the process later”. |
Moderators: … diez vai ir kāda valsts, kāda situācija, kāds projekts, kas notiek pilnīgi nenormāli gludi. Tāpēc ir pilnīgi normāli, ka kāds ielec, kāds izlec... | Moderator: ... It is unlikely that there’s any country, situation, or project that runs completely seamlessly. So, it is entirely normal for someone to jump in and someone else to step out... | ||
Eksperts 8: Mans lielākais izaicinājums visā šajā procesā par metodoloģijas izstrādi bija tiešām, panākt to, ka situācijā, kad metodoloģija drusciņ pamainās, ka eksperti tās ievēro. | Expert 8: My biggest challenge in this entire process of developing the methodology was ensuring that, in situations where the methodology slightly changes, that experts fulfil them. | ||
Clear state framework | 2 | Eksperts 8: Es laikam teiktu, ka valsts biomonitoringa programmas izveide ir tīri praktisks process un tas ir jāatdala no zinātnes. No valsts institūcijām un valstij kā tādai ir vienas vajadzības, un mēs jau arī šodien dzirdējām, ka zinātniekiem un pētniekiem ir pilnīgi citas vajadzības un intereses. | Expert 8: I would say that establishing a national biomonitoring program is a purely practical process and should be separated from science. State institutions and the state itself have one set of needs, while, as we heard today, scientists and researchers have completely different needs and interests. |
Eksperts 7: Man … būtu gribējies, ka tās valsts iestādes būtu vairāk iedziļinājušās, ieinteresētas, ka mums jau vairāk iedotu. Nevis kaut kā pētniekiem interesanti pētīt, bet iedod rāmi–“O! Nu to vajadzētu papētīt.” | Expert 7: I would have liked for the state institutions to have been more engaged and interested, providing us with more input. Not just something researchers find interesting to study, but giving a framework—”Oh! This is something that should be investigated.” |
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Matisāne, L.; Akūlova, L.; Pavlovska, I.; Matisāne, M.; Vanadziņš, I. Insights from Expert Interviews on Navigating the Complexity of Prioritizing Chemicals for Human Biomonitoring in Latvia. Toxics 2025, 13, 715. https://doi.org/10.3390/toxics13090715
Matisāne L, Akūlova L, Pavlovska I, Matisāne M, Vanadziņš I. Insights from Expert Interviews on Navigating the Complexity of Prioritizing Chemicals for Human Biomonitoring in Latvia. Toxics. 2025; 13(9):715. https://doi.org/10.3390/toxics13090715
Chicago/Turabian StyleMatisāne, Linda, Lāsma Akūlova, Ilona Pavlovska, Monta Matisāne, and Ivars Vanadziņš. 2025. "Insights from Expert Interviews on Navigating the Complexity of Prioritizing Chemicals for Human Biomonitoring in Latvia" Toxics 13, no. 9: 715. https://doi.org/10.3390/toxics13090715
APA StyleMatisāne, L., Akūlova, L., Pavlovska, I., Matisāne, M., & Vanadziņš, I. (2025). Insights from Expert Interviews on Navigating the Complexity of Prioritizing Chemicals for Human Biomonitoring in Latvia. Toxics, 13(9), 715. https://doi.org/10.3390/toxics13090715