“The School for the Travellers and the Blacks”: Student and Teacher Perspectives on “Choosing” a Post-Primary School with a High Concentration of Disadvantage
Abstract
:1. Introduction
2. Literature Review
2.1. Minority Ethnic Students’ Experiences of Schooling
2.2. School “Choice” and Access to Schools
3. Methodology
4. Findings: The School for the Travellers and the Blacks: Reputation, Lived Realities, and “Choosing” St. Greg’s
4.1. Reputation’ and Lived Realities
Like if you talk to any [locals] … they say this school is for Travellers and Blacks and that is the stigma we have. It is very hard to change it.(John, SP)
Yeah, a lot of Travellers come here, so they would kind of be thinking, this school must be bad. That is what I heard anyway. But I never thought it was that bad to be honest. I really like the school.(Christiano, MSP)
I think because a lot of Traveller people come here. And they [Travellers] have a bad reputation for lots of fighting and stuff, but I think within every culture there is going to be people like that, in every school there is people like that.(Holly, MSP)
Anyways, people were saying, ‘oh that that school, like ehm, that school is full of Travellers, you get beat up, First Year is that bad’.(Joseph, MSP)
I don’t know, you have some kids that you stick away from because trouble starts and stuff like that. That is about it really … Mostly Travellers, who start everything. Anything they can start on they will just start on. I have learned to avoid them.(Hayden, WISP)
… they view Travellers… how would I say, me, always in trouble, always drinking, robbing, stealing, dressed naked, wearing a lot less clothes like, and mean to people … You don’t learn that you just know that, like. The way people look at you, like.(Rosa, TSP)
And some people were like, that is a school full of dummies, they don’t really go to school, they just go dossing, and it is really not all of us who go dossing.(Josef, MSP)
… if you went there, you would never do well, that you would never go to university. Ehm, you wouldn’t progress in life. You would just stay at the same level, and you would become the same as everybody else who went there, supposedly.(Holly, MSP)
… a lot of our students come from very difficult backgrounds… a lot of them might not even have had breakfast in the morning… there are a lot of underlying factors there.(Ruth, SP)
… it depends on the home. It can be problems with alcohol, problems with drugs, can be members of families in prison, parents can be in the shelter, because of domestic violence, quite regularly, and sometimes for long periods of time… we would have several parents that would have experienced homelessness… there may be even queries about neglect.(Kathy, SP)
… But they [students in other schools] are motivated. They have aspirations. They know where they want to go to. Some of our kids are just living day to day and going from week to week. They don’t think about the future…(John, SP)
I found it harder to readjust my expectations… I kept driving beyond what the kids were willing to put up with… I went straight into a classroom expecting, look at, these are all going to be Engineers and Doctors… That didn’t go down well at all… I suppose my expectation came down a small bit, I became more realistic… You are not dealing with the same thing at all here. You have to be more open minded about the difficulties with these kids. They are great to be coming in at all, some of them. That is a reality.(Barry, SP)
In here, we have the laugh with them all of the time you know. There is give and take. There is a lot of joking and banter all of the time, but you have to otherwise you are not going to survive in here. Not a notion… If it is too heavily academic and you take yourself too seriously you will struggle… You know you adapt to the school and the environment that you are in.(John, SP)
4.2. Choosing St. Greg’s
4.2.1. Family History of Attending St. Greg’s
They come, they come, they come, they are surrounded by their friends, their neighbours, or whatever cousins they have, it is very safe for them, it is very comfortable.(Clodagh, SP)
This school? I didn’t really choose because all my cousins were coming here and everything and my uncles came here.(Mickey, TSP)
4.2.2. Not Being Able to Access, or Not Being Accepted by, Other Schools
Oh yeah, because maybe they don’t accept all of the other children, but like St. Greg’s do because there is a lot of people in [other school] and they don’t accept most of the people that are stupid.(Marian, MSP)
When I was younger, I thought it was all gay and all that but now I just want to go to it because most people I know had to get a better education to get in, to get a job and all that… because it is like, they are stricter and everyone says, ‘oh it is better, they have to actually try to educate you’.(Jason, WISP)
[re. old school] It is a good school, but just I would prefer to be around more people, more Travellers. There was only the one Traveller in the school, like, that I really talked to. There was more Travellers in St. Greg’s.(Theresa, TSP)
The SPs felt that “academic performance” was considered something that was “not top of the list” (Roisin, SP) for Traveller parents, or the “number one priority” for parents of students in St. Greg’s in general, when it came to school choice. The SPs were also very aware of schools’ differing approaches to enrolment. For Padraic, school admission policies were being used “to protect the standard of education” … the other side is they are really protecting is the standard of education and the standard of the system … I don’t like it, the elitism that goes on in some schools… they just pick the best 150, so why wouldn’t they be at the … top of the league. If they said, right pick the first 150 that comes in, that would be a different story.(Padraic, SP)
But I do think what tends to happen is our school is the school in … that takes the vast majority of them [students from diverse backgrounds]. We don’t cherry pick. We abide by our mission statement. We are probably the most inclusive school within the area so we can never be accused of being discriminatory.(John, SP)
People pay lip service to open door policies, we don’t. We have an admissions policy and it is crystal clear and it always has been. You know, we don’t refuse anybody… But there are others who say they have open door policies, in Christian schools as I call them, and the opposite is true.(Clodagh, SP)
4.2.3. Extra Supports, Subject Choice, and Freebies
International students come here because we have a lot of support for international students… In terms of extra English, languages, there is a tradition of being able to sit the Leaving Cert in your own traditional language through Polish or whatever.(Sean, SP)
I mean some people will say, look it, we want to come to the school because of the subject choice. Well, look it, at the end of the day, we are traditionally a vocational school, and we do have a heavy practical background, but all the schools offer Woodwork and Technical Drawing. And Art, and any of these anymore. So that is not going to… We are not going to stand out just for doing those subjects.(Barry, SP)
Because we are a DEIS school, everything is free. We have the book scheme and the lunches, and all the resources are free. We don’t have to pay for anything. They [Travellers] get all of these trips and everything.(Caroline, SP)
Well, I would say that the biggest issue is the whole financial side of it. I know the new school that has opened above is… they are telling any Traveller that rings up ‘No, we are not a DEIS school, and we don’t offer free books and we don’t do free lunches’.(John, SP)
… But [friend], he actually went to this school. Like and other people who weren’t in the school were like, ‘Oh yeah, this is going to happen, this is going to happen’ but [friend] he just, he made loads of friends here and I was, like, ‘I thought this school was meant to be rough?’ and he was like, ‘no, it is not that bad, if you do your own good, like, you will be fine. The teachers’ pay attention to you, you get free lunches, it is a really nice place, like’.(Josef, MSP)
5. Discussion and Conclusions
5.1. School Socio-Demographics, Reputation, and Academic Expectations
5.2. Issues of School “Choice”
Author Contributions
Funding
Institutional Review Board Statement
Informed Consent Statement
Data Availability Statement
Conflicts of Interest
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Pseudonym | Sex | Participant Group | |
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1 | Barry | Male | Principal |
2 | Caroline | Female | Teacher |
3 | Clodagh | Female | Teacher |
4 | Padraic | Male | Vice-Principal |
5 | John | Male | Teacher |
6 | Kathy | Female | Teacher |
7 | Ruth | Female | Teacher |
8 | Sarah | Female | Teacher |
9 | Sean | Male | Teacher |
10 | Jennifer | Female | Traveller Student (5th Year) |
11 | Connie | Male | Traveller Student (5th Year) |
12 | Mickey | Male | Traveller Student (2nd Year) |
13 | Richard | Male | Traveller Student (2nd Year) |
14 | Celine | Female | Traveller Student (3rd Year) |
15 | Rosa | Female | Traveller Student (2nd Year) |
16 | Serena | Female | Traveller Student (3rd Year) |
17 | Paddy | Male | Traveller Student (1st Year) |
18 | Theresa | Female | Traveller Student (5th Year) |
19 | Johnathan | Male | White Irish Settled Student (6th Year) |
20 | Hayden | Male | White Irish Settled Student (5th Year) |
21 | Jason | Male | White Irish Settled Student (2nd Year) |
22 | Connor | Male | White Irish Settled Student (3rd year) |
23 | Victoria | Female | (Non-Traveller) Minority Student (5th Year) |
24 | Josef | Male | (Non-Traveller) Minority Student (5th Year) |
25 | Christiano | Male | (Non-Traveller) Minority Student (6th Year) |
26 | Marian | Female | (Non-Traveller) Minority Student (3rd Year) |
27 | Natalia | Female | (Non-Traveller) Minority Student (2nd Year) |
28 | Holly | Female | (Non-Traveller) Minority Student (5th Year) |
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Mc Ginley, H.; Keane, E. “The School for the Travellers and the Blacks”: Student and Teacher Perspectives on “Choosing” a Post-Primary School with a High Concentration of Disadvantage. Educ. Sci. 2021, 11, 777. https://doi.org/10.3390/educsci11120777
Mc Ginley H, Keane E. “The School for the Travellers and the Blacks”: Student and Teacher Perspectives on “Choosing” a Post-Primary School with a High Concentration of Disadvantage. Education Sciences. 2021; 11(12):777. https://doi.org/10.3390/educsci11120777
Chicago/Turabian StyleMc Ginley, Hannagh, and Elaine Keane. 2021. "“The School for the Travellers and the Blacks”: Student and Teacher Perspectives on “Choosing” a Post-Primary School with a High Concentration of Disadvantage" Education Sciences 11, no. 12: 777. https://doi.org/10.3390/educsci11120777
APA StyleMc Ginley, H., & Keane, E. (2021). “The School for the Travellers and the Blacks”: Student and Teacher Perspectives on “Choosing” a Post-Primary School with a High Concentration of Disadvantage. Education Sciences, 11(12), 777. https://doi.org/10.3390/educsci11120777