“Get Well Enough to Make the Right Decision for Themselves”—Experiences and Perspectives of Clinicians Working with People with Serious Mental Illness and Their Substitute Decision Makers
Abstract
:1. Introduction
2. Methods
2.1. Study Overview
2.2. Participants
2.3. Data Collection
2.4. Data Analysis
2.5. Ethical Considerations
3. Results
3.1. Clinicians Appreciate Hardships and Challenges in Lives of SDMs and Patients
3.1.1. Clinicians Appreciating the Challenging Emotions and Experiences on Both Sides
“And I think for patients it can be difficult because for the patients sometimes it’s humiliating…, we were talking with a patient about making his uncle his SDM and the patient said I’m 40 years old like can’t I do this…. I felt badly for him as he felt humiliated that he wasn’t being treated as an adult but at the same time he’s not capable of making his own decisions at this point.”
“…one of the stresses for families in being involved in making treatment decisions is appreciating the limits of what can be done and the protections available to people who are so ill but are accorded all these rights to determine their own healthcare when they’re ill. And it’s sobering for them to realize that they’ve lost control of trying to help their family member…, sometimes we don’t appreciate how shocking it is to families.”
“Family can be a lot more invested trying to figure things out and at the same time also puts a tremendous pressure on [themselves], and it can make it very uncomfortable for them if they live with their loved one, they made a decision that he or she doesn’t like it makes things very complicated.”
3.1.2. Clinicians Note Risks and Relational Changes from Being an SDM
“I’ve had family members where they were assaulted as a result of that… I had a gentleman who didn’t want injections and the mother who was the SDM made a decision to ensure they got the injections. And they came but when they got home they punched their mom out because they were so frustrated that you put me through this, you were trying to kill me.”
“…he didn’t want this and like he couldn’t handle it any more…, [and they] move out of the city. I’ve heard more is that they don’t want to be that involved [anymore].”
“I think from what I’ve seen more often than not it impacts the relationship negatively because there is that huge power shift. Right, like the power that used to belong to the client is now belonging to somebody else and so if the pre-existing relationship was already rocky, it usually gets worse from what I’ve seen and if their pre-existing relationship was better than there’s more opportunity for like a more collaborative approach and sometimes it still goes bad…”
“…when the patient has gotten unwell, they’ve become quite abusive to the substitute decision maker, and it’s been very, very stressful and distressing for that person. And I’ve seen here lots of times where the doctor while explaining to the SDM will sort of give that person an out and say you know what, you’ve done this but if it’s detrimental to your relationship or your own safety…”
3.2. Clinicians Have Understanding of Patient Situation and Respect for Their Autonomy and Wishes
3.2.1. Clinicians as Promoter of Autonomy and Mindful of Prior Wishes
“There’s highs and lows and different people respond differently to SDMs, and you often do see the side where people feel that they have a loss of power based on having an SDM.”
“We work in conjunction with the client…, that’s the optimal thing but I’m not sure if they really have a legal status. Well before you’re psychotic what you would or would not want but hopefully the SDM would respect those wishes or at least recognize that that’s the person’s wishes.”
“I think in general family tends to sometimes start to go based on the best wishes in the past but it’s not all the time. I think in general with SDMs if they’re a family member or the PG and T they try to go with the best interest or what makes sense.”
3.2.2. Clinicians Are Aware of Clients’ Fluctuating Capacity
“We have this constant fluctuation you know; in any other field of medicine you have dementia, then you’ve got dementia. You’re not going to suddenly become capable the next time you make a decision versus in a psychiatric patient. You can be pretty psychotic or you’re using a ton of crystal meth and you’re not making any sense today but in three days you can have a rational discussion…”
“Specific like it’s situational in terms of someone who has insight…, because then you come to think well the [lack of insight] is clouding over what a person is thinking and thinking rationally. I guess that’s where that SDM comes in case the person is incapable [at that time].”
3.2.3. Clinicians Are Key in Facilitating Communication
“It’s helpful to facilitate. Like I would teach my client more skills on how to advocate for themselves in front of their family and would do role play.”
“I think having someone that knows both sides and both peoples’ perspectives can really sort of enlighten that conversation.”
3.2.4. Clinicians Are Involved in the Process of Transitioning from SDM to Self-Determination
“I think that is a very quick process; right, they’re deemed capable like they’re capable… With treatment decision I find it’s, they go in, you know the doctor says yeah, they’re capable, they’re capable…, so it changes very quickly…”
“I often see…, where they deteriorate again because part of that is a disbelief that they needed these medications. They became well and then didn’t believe they needed that support anymore and kind of cancels that. So it really depends on … how they actually view the treatment they’re receiving and when… an SDM leaves the picture.”
3.2.5. The Right of Patients Being Kept Informed of the Decisions That Are Being Made Even When They Are Still Incapable of Making Decisions
“…about treatment so you know the worst thing to do is to declare someone incapable and only deal with the SDM without considering that the patient can appreciate some information and…, the capacity will change and so at some point in the admission. They may be making their own decisions and so you should relate to them as if they’re at some point going to be able to takeover.”
3.3. Clinicians Have a Special Working Relationship with Family SDMs
3.3.1. Clinicians See Supporting SDM as Part of Work
“Sometimes like the SDM is like another client as well. I think validation is key for their unique circumstance. Also, like providing just resources such as support groups and for families and various counselling that can just help, like go a long way in helping them figure out how to make their situation work for them and providing psychoeducation and stuff.”
“Those little nuances of their perspective that they might be overlooking because there’s a lot of emotion and history involved. So really creating like a safe space where everyone can kind of sit down and have like an open discussion where I guess like emotions aren’t overwhelming the interaction.”
3.3.2. Clinicians See the Harm from Delayed or Denied Treatment from Their Own and SDM Perspectives
“Legally, the patients can contest any form past a Form 1…, they have the legal right to be appointed a lawyer and have a mini hearing in this room. That can be a delay of about a week.”
“We had family members who took their relative back to Africa where they would just get treated immediately… Some families ask if they can drive their relative across the border to the U.S. for faster treatment.”
3.3.3. Clinicians as Educators and Collaborator with SDMs
“You need to keep explaining to [SDMs] that the goal is not for the person to make the decision I agree with or you agree with or the right decision in quotation. The idea is [the patient] get well enough to make the right decision for themselves or they’re well enough that they understand the consequences of what they do; so they may do something that we 100% disagree with but it’s not really up to us.”
3.3.4. Clinicians See Importance of Maintaining Professional Boundaries
“In fairness to both parties, right, because you don’t want to be the person that’s now choosing sides and making decisions. If you go to the client, the family may feel like you’re not there for them. If you choose the family that might destroy that rapport you have with the client so it’s a family conversation…. So we don’t destroy any of our bridges.”
“I think when there is disagreements it’s really helpful to clearly define what our role is and what our position is and what we can offer and cannot offer and just setting boundaries of like what’s appropriate and what’s not appropriate.”
3.4. Clinicians May Find It Difficult at Times Working with SDMs
3.4.1. Difficulty Working with Over-Involved or Uninterested Family SDMs
“The worst situation is when the SDM doesn’t want to know anything about the treatment and just says ‘whatever you say doctor.”
“It wouldn’t be fair to say that dealing with the families especially the ones which are more heavily involved… can be very challenging cause the family can get very demanding…. a nurse … said if that mother of that client keeps calling me anymore I’m going to quit my job… I mean you want to allow the family involvement, to have family-centered care and client-centered care but …that showed how hard it was for her to deal with that.”
“…you know this term vicarious trauma people have… And I guess well this reality is that the families, the emotions are so high, the love is so mixed up with all these other emotions and feelings …, it can be purely have an impact on you know, how you do your job and to the family members and it goes on…”
3.4.2. Clinicians Cope with Perceived Poor Decision Making by SDM
“It’s a problem cause they’re not really acting [as SDM]…, when they disagree with everything that you’re saying. I’ll be the SDM but I only want them treated with homeopathic medications.”
“You can declare the substitute decision maker incapable but we rarely do that especially if they’re going to live with that family member because they’re going back into a system where the treatment is not going to be supported…”
“We had a situation recently where an SDM was providing consent for a very extreme treatment for their aunt who was very ill. So, specifically it was to provide full resuscitation in the event that this person’s heart stopped and he said I want you to do everything. Don’t pull the plug. And the ethicist said okay, but are you acting according to the prior wishes of your aunt and it was clear he wasn’t. This was his personal belief and so those are tricky.”
3.4.3. Clinicians Sometimes Ponder if SDMs Are Necessary
“But I guess basically what I’m saying is like if there is no difference then what’s the difference between us just making all the decisions and not having even substitute decision makers… What is the benefit of even having these discussions at all…, is there actually utility to having an SDM or is it just sort of like a legal thing?”
3.5. Clinicians Delineate Differences Between Family and Public Guardian and Trustee SDMs
3.5.1. Clinicians See PGT as Closely Aligned with Medical Decision Makers
“Well I think with a PGT it’s a pretty straight forward process from my experience; right. The doctors will make recommendations for different things… [PGTs] are usually in agreement so it’s pretty smooth transition versus the family where sometimes you know the family can have underlying mental health issues too so you know getting there sometimes it can be tricky but I think PGT definitely works a lot better and the process is a lot quicker as well.”
“… with the PGT I think you can find that it’s almost as if the treating team is the substitute decision maker at that point because they are so amenable to sort of listening to the healthcare professionals and sort of going along with that. Because I don’t know if they have the same sort of expertise of buy-in. Whereas a family they might look beyond just exactly what the healthcare professionals are proposing which I’m not saying one is better than the other. I’m saying that it really changes the way care is driven.”
3.5.2. Clinicians See Family SDM Intimately More Involved
“With family I think you just feel a lot more of the emotion involved in it and in making decisions.”
“I also just think of the aspect of having a family member allows an individual to probably maintain their personhood more consistently. I think a lot of the times our mandates and the things that we’re trying to accomplish might overlook how a person might actually live and function based on what we think is a state of wellness, where we might not actually see them as a person…, where a family member might be able to say like this isn’t really this person anymore.”
3.5.3. Family Is More Likely to Disagree with a Physician’s Recommendation in Cases Where They May Perceive the Treatment as More Extreme
“I think I’ve practiced like 24 years. I’ve never had a PGT say no, I’m not consenting that. I’ve had PGTs consult lawyers and see people regarding really coercive treatments like ECT but I’ve never had a PGT say no. I’ve had lots of families say no.”
3.6. Clinicians Recognize the Importance of SDM Role in Many Contexts
3.6.1. Clinicians See Social Values in Having SDMs
“I think the family, the SDM component as well is definitely like a reflection of the past where you know without that SDM, without someone who actually cared for them these individuals could and often were sort of kept detained and treated you know and not always in the most equitable way. Right, so it’s having those things in place allows society to say okay, like there are stop gaps to prevent harm from being done. Unfortunately, we’ve had those historical sort of tragedies happen and these things have been put in place as a result.”
“Well society is really split. They are very ambivalent about psychiatric treatment. They don’t want homeless people on the street. They don’t want psychotic people killing people which happens and so they say do something about it. At the same time, they want to limit the powers of that and health teams come in because there’s a history of bad treatment, taking it too far….”
3.6.2. Clinicians Feel Having SDMs Help Them to Feel Better About Their Actions
“Yeah, if we can see the harm that’s ahead just because it’s uncomfortable to have to have those adversarial conversations. I will be forcing this because someone else has consented. It’s the goal and the prevention of future harm.”
3.6.3. Clinicians See SDMs as Protective for Patients
“I think the SDM component is definitely like a reflection of the past where you know without that SDM, without someone who actually cared for them these individuals could and often were sort of kept detained and treated you know and not always in the most equitable way.”
3.7. Clinician Ideas on How to Improve the Current System
3.7.1. Improving at a Public and Societal Level
“I think a lot of these… were based on the fact that there was a feeling that people were being hospitalized against their will and some sort of social control you know but at this point… we don’t want people… We are not holding people against their will that don’t have to be here. We don’t need to detain people for reasons that aren’t because they actually are a danger to themselves and others and…unable to make treatment decisions. It’s not a coercive…, the system isn’t abused the way maybe it was in the 60’s… So, I think that that process could get more modern.”
3.7.2. Improving at the Family SDM Level
“Families could know more or be updated better… The family members should know more about [their ill family member’s] wishes technically and know more about the situation.”
“I think part of the problem is also there isn’t really a good process that explains to people what their rights are as an SDM, what is it that they can ask for, what are the things they’re entitled to. It’s just kind of pushed upon somebody to act in that role and then they can be frustrated. Why aren’t you Forming my son and bring him in—because I can’t, there’s no reason, there’s no ground to do that.”
“I think sometimes there’s a lot of un-clarity on their part even though they’re explained. They may be the SDM for treatment but not necessarily for finance and not necessarily for something else.”
“I think it would be beneficial for more formal education for the SDM to sort of outline their role…. Say you know what just so you know you’re agreeing to be an SDM so we have to read you this thing just so you know your rights and responsibilities and at the end you acknowledge you know you accept it or not which is like mandatory.”
4. Discussion
5. Conclusions
Author Contributions
Funding
Institutional Review Board Statement
Informed Consent Statement
Data Availability Statement
Conflicts of Interest
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Law, S.; Stergiopoulos, V.; Zaheer, J.; Nakhost, A. “Get Well Enough to Make the Right Decision for Themselves”—Experiences and Perspectives of Clinicians Working with People with Serious Mental Illness and Their Substitute Decision Makers. Behav. Sci. 2025, 15, 704. https://doi.org/10.3390/bs15050704
Law S, Stergiopoulos V, Zaheer J, Nakhost A. “Get Well Enough to Make the Right Decision for Themselves”—Experiences and Perspectives of Clinicians Working with People with Serious Mental Illness and Their Substitute Decision Makers. Behavioral Sciences. 2025; 15(5):704. https://doi.org/10.3390/bs15050704
Chicago/Turabian StyleLaw, Samuel, Vicky Stergiopoulos, Juveria Zaheer, and Arash Nakhost. 2025. "“Get Well Enough to Make the Right Decision for Themselves”—Experiences and Perspectives of Clinicians Working with People with Serious Mental Illness and Their Substitute Decision Makers" Behavioral Sciences 15, no. 5: 704. https://doi.org/10.3390/bs15050704
APA StyleLaw, S., Stergiopoulos, V., Zaheer, J., & Nakhost, A. (2025). “Get Well Enough to Make the Right Decision for Themselves”—Experiences and Perspectives of Clinicians Working with People with Serious Mental Illness and Their Substitute Decision Makers. Behavioral Sciences, 15(5), 704. https://doi.org/10.3390/bs15050704