The following text is a transcription and translation of a conversation between
Rahel El-Maawi and Sarah Owens, which took place as part of the 2018 lecture series
“‘The Art of Intervention.”’. Their dialogue touches upon topics such as Blackness,
in/visibility, community, culture, art and criticism. Using their own voluntary
work and Black-/queer-feminist literature as a starting point, El-Maawi and
Owens talk about their motivations for, as well as possibilities and consequences
of, intersectional activism in arts and culture. Through this, the point of view
shifts from the art of intervention to the question of who intervenes and how this
intervention is supported or restricted by sociopolitical conditions.